The people who say the Qur’an is the only way of guidance for Muslims, are very misguided. Here is proof from the Qur’an that they have disobeyed their Messenger, and by disobeying their messenger they have disobeyed their lord.
POINT #1
In Islam, the Qibla(direction of Prayer) is Mecca. Before being Mecca, it was Jerusalem. The Qur’an, never mentions Jerusalem as the original Qibla. Allah SWT says in the Qur’an:
“Thus we have made You [true Muslims – real believers of Islâmic Monotheism, true followers of Prophet Muhammad and his Sunnah (legal ways)], a Wasat (just) (and the best) nation, that You be witnesses over mankind and the Messenger (Muhammad) be a witness over you. and we made the Qiblah (prayer direction towards Jerusalem) which You used to face, Only to test those who followed the Messenger (Muhammad) from those who would turn on their heels (i.e. disobey the Messenger). indeed it was great (heavy) except for those whom Allâh guided. and Allâh would never make Your faith (prayers) to be lost (i.e. Your prayers offered towards Jerusalem). Truly, Allâh is full of kindness, the Most Merciful towards mankind. Verily! we have seen the turning of Your (Muhammad’s ) face towards the heaven. surely, we shall turn You to a Qiblah (prayer direction) that shall please you, so turn Your face In the direction of Al-Masjid- al-Harâm (at Makkah). and wheresoever You people are, turn Your faces (in prayer) In that direction. Certainly, the people who were given the Scriptures is the Truth from their Lord. and Allâh is not unaware of what they do.”
SubhanAllah, Allah was just testing those who obey Muhammad, when he said to pray to Jerusalem. Its so sad that when the people 1400 years ago learned their lesson, people today still have not learned the lesson.
InshAllah, I will post another chalange in the future. For the mean time, find a verses that says the Qibla was in Jerusalem(hint: does not exist). Credit goes to Allah all mighty and Sheykh Taqi Uthmani Hafidhullah, from whose book(The Authority of the Sunnah) where I got this information.
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When I was refuting the Quran’s repeated assertians that it was clear (mubin), detailed (mufassal), complete (tamam), easy to understand (yaseer) and deny its sufficiency as a guidance, yes when I was a Sunni, I too would get excited with this and other distorted meanings of verses.
With such an intoxicated state and passion to associate volumes of hearsay fabrication to the Quran, I doubt that you will be able to read, let alone understand the following rebuttal; but who knows… You might open your heart and mind to the message of the Quran. Here is my footnote at Quran: a Reformist Translation:
Edip-Layth – End Note 2:142
Qibla is a point to which we are supposed to turn while observing our daily prayers. Kaba played an important role in the Arabian Peninsula, and besides its historic importance, it provided economic and political benefits to the Arabs. Kaba is not a holy temple or shrine, but an annual gathering place for monotheists to commemorate God, to remember the struggles of monotheists throughout history, to get to know each other, to exchange information, to promote charity, to remember their commonalities regardless of their differences in color, culture and language, to discuss their political and economical issues amicably, and to improve their trade. The Quran informs us that those who associate other authorities with God continued the tradition of Abraham, only in form. Before the verses ordering muslims to turn to Kaba as qibla were revealed, muslims, like mushriks were turning towards Kaba. Muslims suffering from the repression, oppression and torture of Meccan polytheists finally decided to emigrate to Yathrib and there they established a city- state. However, the Meccan theocratic oligarchy did not leave them alone. They organized several major war campaigns. The aggression of the Meccan oligarchy and the improving economic, politic and social relations between muslims and the people of the book, that is Christians and Jews, led muslims to turn to another uniting point. They picked Jerusalem. Nevertheless, God wanted muslims to turn back to their original qibla, al-Masjid al-Haram (the restricted place of prostration). We understand this from verses 2:142-145. These verses asking muslims to turn back to their former qibla in Mecca created a difficult test for some muslims living in Yathrib. Those who preferred the advantages of personal, social and economic relations with the Christian and Jewish community in Yathrib and those who could not get over their emotional grievances against the Meccan community could not accept this change and reverted back from islam (2:142-144). In brief, the verses ordering the change of qibla did not abrogate another verse, since there is not a single verse ordering muslims to turn to another qibla. If there is an abrogation, the decision of Muhammad and his companions to turn away from Kaba was abrogated. Here are some relevant verses from the Bible: “In those days, and in that time, says the Lord, the children of Israel shall come, they and the children of Judah together, going and weeping: they shall go, and seek the Lord their God. They shall ask the way to Zion with their faces thitherward, saying, Come, and let us join ourselves to the Lord in a perpetual covenant that shall not be forgotten” (Jeremiah 50:4- 5). “My soul longs, yea, even faints for the courts of the Lord: my heart and my flesh cries out for the living God. Yea, the sparrow hath found an house, and the swallow a nest for herself, where she may lay her young, even thine altars, O LORD of hosts, my King, and my God. Blessed are they that dwell in thy house: they will be still praising thee. Selah. Blessed is the man whose strength is in thee; in whose heart are the ways of them. Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also fills the pools. They go from strength to strength, every one of them in Zion appears before God. O Lord God of hosts, hear my prayer: give ear, O God of Jacob. Selah. Behold, O God our shield, and look upon the face of thine anointed. For a day in thy courts is better than a thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness. For the Lord God is a sun and shield: the LORD will give grace and glory: no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly. O Lord of hosts, blessed is the man that trusts in thee” (Psalms 84:2-12)
Peace,
Edip Yuksel
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Hello Edip Yuksel,
1. Are you the actual Edip Yuksel or are you just taking his name? Because if you are the actual him, Nice to hear from you.
2. You misunderstood this post. These verses did not abrogate any other verses. So you agree the Qibla was Jerusalem, but it was never mentioned in the Qur’an. That was my point. That the original Qibla was never mentioned in the Qur’an. Muhammad PBUH was the one who appointed this Qibla. The whole point of this according to Allah was that he tested Muslims on who would obey the Messenger of God “we made the Qiblah (prayer direction towards Jerusalem) which You used to face, Only to test those who followed the Messenger (Muhammad) from those who would turn on their heels” It’s so sad, that 1400 years ago, Allah revealed clear proof on his order for Muslims to obey his messenger, yet 1400 years later with that proof people still disobey the messenger.
Fasting In The Quran?
(August 25, 2007)From http://aididsafar.com/fast.html
Year in and out, the followers of the Arab religion perform the rituals of going hungry and thirsty in the ninth month of the fallacious Hijrah calender – Ramadan.
This month-long ritual of abstaining from food and water from dawn to dusk in the so called month of ‘ramadan’ is said to have been ordained by the God in His revelations – The Quran.
The ramadan ritual is based upon the Arabic word “syiyam”, which has been translated and defined as fasting (as in not eating and drinking). Upon careful and detailed study of the relevant verses, it revealed that a mistranslation has taken place in the Qurannic verses of Chapter 2 (al-Baqarah) verses 183 – 187.
An ad-verbatim re-translation of the said verses was undertaken to uncover those word/s, which were obliterated, or smeared by translators and conspirators alike:
(note: the Arabic word ‘syiyam’ is purposely left untranslated)
* 2:183 O you faithfuls, “asshiyaamu” is programmed for you, as it was programmed for those before you, so that you are observant.
* 2:184 A few specific days, therefore those who fall ill, or on assignments, so schedule it on other days. And for those who find difficulties in doing it, substitute the feeding of a poor person. Hence, whoever works goodness, so it would do him good, and that you “tasyuumu” is better if you know
[2:185] manifest heat which was sent within it, the Quran a guidance for the people, and explanations from the guidance, and the criterion. Therefore, whoever amongst you experiences the manifestation shall “yasyumhu”. And those who are ill, or on assignments may therefore, account an equal number of other days. God wishes convenience for you, and He does not impose hardship upon you; and so that you could fulfill the schedule, and you shall glorify God for guiding you, so that you be appreciative.
* 2:186 And when My servants ask you about Me, I am always near, I respond to the call of any caller who calls on Me. Therefore, they shall respond to Me, and be faithful to Me, that they may be guided.
* 2:187 You are permitted during the nights of “asshiyaami” to mix with your women. They are your confidantes, and you are their confidants. God knew that you have betrayed yourselves, and therefore He redeemed you and pardoned you. Henceforth, mix with them, and seek you of what God has programmed for you, and savour* it until its clear for you as that of a white thread distinguishable from a black thread is apparent. Then fulfill “asshiyaama” to the night. And you shall not mix with them whilst retreating in the institutions. These are the bounds of God; therefore you shall not be near them. God thus clarifies His revelations for the people, that they become observant.
A reading of the above re-translated verses placed “syiyam” in its proper context, and paints a somewhat different picture than what is currently portrayed in the Arab religion. I will not try to expound, or define the Arabic “syiyam”, but rather I would leave it to you (for the purpose of this exercise) to determine it for yourself as to what it is.
However, some important questions arise from the above verses:
Where is the command line for the prohibition on eating and drinking?
A prohibition is usually imposed on a serious matter, especially when the nature of an action/inaction poses grave consequences to the doer or persons around. The prohibition will usually (in any language) be proclaimed in very clear plain words, not metaphorically, and never in an ambigous manner so as to create confusion on the matter. The commands would usually begin with “You shall not”, “You are prohibited from…”, “You shall stop…”, or “You shall refrain from…”, and in this case we were unable to detect any such prohibitive commands in the verses pertaining to eating and drinking.
*[There is a phrase “Wakuluu waasyrabuu”, which literally is “And eat and drink…” though, and which is a metaphor for ‘savour*’ which, in this instant is in the context of mixing with your women.]
It is only prudent to also note that in 2:187:
“…then fulfill “asyiyaama” to the night (ila llaili)…” is being mistranslated in mischief by all translators as “…untill the night…”
Hence, “syiyam” whatever one makes it out to be, is to be performed at night and NOT in the daytime! Anyway, the word day, or daytime is not even present. This mischief moulded the form of fasting that you get today in the Arab religion.
Should “syiyam” be defined as fasting (not eating/drinking), and now that we read it as to take place at night…what’s the big deal? People do sleep at night (at least most people and some animals do), don’t they? And it looks like its being done naturally and unwarily by everyone and some animals on Earth. Sleep and therefore, no food and water, and the fast is done!
Why would you then need a special dedicated month for that? Is this some kind of a practical joke the God is pulling on man? No. I don’t think so.
Well…come Ramadan, what you will see in Saudi Arabia, and most of the other Arab countries is that, they stay the fasting nights awake, drinking and consuming food like gluttons. And guess when do they sleep? Bravo! No prize though for your correct answer – they sleep all day (err…and fasting, of course) until before dusk! Transforming themselves into nocturnals is a perfect solution don’t you think, for an otherwise daunting task to stay ‘alive’ under the spells of hunger and thirst of daytime? Now this is a joke! The Arabs are trying to pull a fast one on their little god!
cease-fire
And did you know that if they are at war during this time, they would negotiate with their advesaries for a pause in fighting for a month-long cease-fire, and to be continued after that? I’d be damned if I’d agree to that and missed the opportunity to wipe them little devils off!
My point and question is, isn’t anyone aware of the Arabs and their idiosyncracies?
The current fasting for one month in the month of Ramadan, is also inconsistent with the Quran, as the verse stated “ayyaaman ma’duudatin…” (2:184), which means ‘a few specific days’.
“shahru ramadhaana…” (2:185) is mistranslated as ‘the month of ramadan’. The quran lexicon defined “ramadan” as ‘intense heat’ and is not a proper noun. Hence, the Arabic word “syahru” here, in context would, rather appropriately be ‘manifest’, which is also another definition of “syahru” . Re-translated to “manifest heat”.
Insisting that “syahru ramadhaana” is the month of Ramadan of the Hijrah calendar, will pose a reconciliation problem with “ayyaaman ma’duudatin”. Because, it will then mean “fasting a few specific days in Ramadan (and at night)”?
Further reading of other relevant verses might add more light to what actually is “syiyam”, perhaps presenting something slightly different contextually. Chapter – Maryam, verses 25 – 29 :-
* 19:25 And shake towards you the palm tree, it will drop ripe fruits.
* 19:26 So savour* it, and relax, and when you see anyone, then say, “I have pledged to the Almighty a “syauman”; therefore I shall not converse, today to anyone.'”
* 19:27 She went with it to her people, carrying him. They said, “O, Mary, you have committed indecency”.
* 19:28 “O sister of Aaron; your father was not evil, nor was your mother unchaste.”
* 19:29 Hence, she pointed at him; they said, “How could we converse with the messiac (Mahdi) infant?”
The Hungry
From the above verses it is easy to figure out what Mary was saying, and what her actions were in keeping with her pledge. Was she ‘fasting’ in the ordinary way?
In light of the above, perhaps its time to free ourselves from mental bondage by igniting our intellect on a re-evaluation excercise of everything that was defined for us. This is simply that little exercise to do just that. Who knows what will turn out, maybe instead of doing what is not ordained by the God, but by some idiots, we would instead be doing the opposite, a something good perhaps, and which would serve more purpose and meaning to our lives and the people around us, such as feeding the hungry, or giving aid to the less fortunate.
Define, do not be defined.
“We did not give them bodies that required no food, nor were they immortal.”
(Q21:8)
Bahr,
First, I accepted your comment, because one I wanted to show The Muslims, that know Arabic and the ones that don’t know Arabic, what kind of joke your cult is.
Next, please keep your posts shorter, this is really annoying.
Sawm linguistically means “to abstain”. Kuffar linguistically means “to cover”. Farmers were called Kuffar, because they covered the seeds with dirt.
But with that aside, your argument is not only wrong, but is a fraud.
Notice the mistranslation you used, or removal of words from the Qur’an.
Let us go to verse 2:187.
Why did you remove the words Wa-kuloo wa-ashraboo
The correct Translation
“Permitted to you, on the night of the fasts, is the approach to your wives. They are your garments and ye are their garments. Allah knoweth what ye used to do secretly among yourselves; but He turned to you and forgave you; so now associate with them, and seek what Allah Hath ordained for you, and EAT(wa-kuloo) and DRINK(wa-ashraboo), until the white thread of dawn appear to you distinct from its black thread; then complete your fast Till the night appears; but do not associate with your wives while ye are in retreat in the mosques. Those are Limits (set by) Allah: Approach not nigh thereto. Thus doth Allah make clear His Signs to men: that they may learn self-restraint. ”
Allah is clear in his words, there is no eating or drinking during the day(when the white thread is distinguishable from the black thread). So My Deen of Islam, is clear and is here to please Allah, unlike the cult you belong to which is only about what is easy in life.
SubhanAllah
وكلوا = and Eat
واشربو ا = and Drink
The rebuttal of the Quraanites further gives truth to the decrepit state of their cult.
The only way they can know anything surrounding the Qur’aan and the Asbaab an-Nuzool and the situations pertaining to the revelation is that they have to take from Hadeeth. Because the entirety of history is based upon Hadeeth. Hadeeth in the sense that History is a narrative field.
So they rely on history to say such and such happened. The Arabs did this and that… how do you know? Through what has been stated by the historians. And those who recorded the history of the Arabian peninsula were naught but the Muslims in its majority. So they rely on what the Muhaditheen and recorders of the history have said.
Brother Abulhaarith,
SubhanAllah, its really funny, they accept history but they reject ahadith. Most of our history is not authenticated to 1% of the degree ahadith are. Really this cult is about what is easy, and not about what is from Allah aza wajjal.
Does it really matter whether or not one is a quranite or a sunni/shia?
We should be focusing on solving impending problems facing the Ummah.
As for my views: Abulhaarith, who does not believe in history; have you or invitation2islam ever been in academia? have you two ever taken University Level History Course? We have thousands of professors across the best universities in the world in the USA analysing, debating, translating every piece of history in the world. It is called: peer reviewed historical journals.
I’m sorry but the state of California probably has more universities than Afghanistan or other middle eastern countries. How can you even compare backward Islamic scholarship to the West.
This is why many people are not satisfied with Sunni/Shia Islam, why should I follow the traditions of some of the most backward people on earth (currently)?
Hadith and Sunna are loosing their popularity among the young generation. We are removing such distortions among our religion.
You are excited because you have a flawed argument! Edip Yuksel translated the entire Quran into English!
His arguments are logical: Muslims from Yathrib changed their Qibla. God ordered them to revert back to the Kaba!
It is obvious where the Qibla is; I mean the prophet was a descendant of Abraham who built it. People still came and did Hajj.
Only the Quran was from Allah, not the hadith, okay.
To bring this into perspective: the most famous hadith, with thousands of people recording it, has 3 versions! The prophets last khutba!
FYI: even the Quran has two versions!
Nothing is preserved 100% in history, errors occur, but Yuksel and others are using logic, history, and math to bring back truth in religion that we can follow.
If you want to see how back hadith distortions get google: faith freedom international and see how badly evangelicals can use history against you.
Hundreds of muslims are loosing their faith because of that extremely popular site; most of its traffic is from Muslims countries, check alexa.com
Instead of bringing truth infront of the world, you are holding it back.
Edip debated with Faith Freedom; he took the initiative to fight against their disgusting arguments.
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These are just my views, separate from Edip’s.
Peace,
Yaqub
Yaqub,
Point one, This is about Ulum ul Din not History. Second, I did a double major and one of my majors was History, thank you very much. Second, western scholars of history say that the Muslims have recorded their history better than any nation ever. (If you learned history you would have known this).
Do you know where the Idea of Universities came from? This is a Muslim creation. Name one western university older than Jamia al Azhar? Do you know where western scholars got their education? I have a degree in history, but I’m not sure where my teacher’s teacher learned. I memorized the Qur’an, I know the insinaad, I learn Aqidah, Fiqh, whatever I know the insinaad. Many wester scholars admire this, while the islamophobes(submitters included) rip on this.
I have a flawed argument, if it is so flawed why have you nor Epid been able to answer it.
SubhanAllah. He translated the Qur’an? I wish he would have just gone through the trouble of just understanding the Qur’an.
The youth rejecting the Sunnah? Not the youth I know. Alhumdulillah I am just 23, so I know many young muslims. I know teenagers that teach the Authority of the Sunnah, ALHUMDULILLAH. Young kids that could refute Rashidies.
Epid defended Rashidism, not Islam.
If this argument is so flawed please show the the verse of the Qur’an about the previous Qibla.
“and we made the Qiblah which You used to face, Only to test those who followed the Messenger (Muhammad) from those who would turn on their heels (i.e. disobey the Messenger). indeed it was great (heavy) except for those whom Allâh guided.”
FYI: The Qur’an does not have 2 versions, it has 7 Ahrufs, and 7 Qira’ats. You claim to follow the Qur’an, yet you have disobeyed it.
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Haris,
You are going to give me a link to a book by Aidid Safar. LOL, the man is a joke. Your friend Bahr gave me an article about him and fasting (just scroll up) and I refuted with ease. The man knows nothing, or whatever he does know he makes up. Why don’t you get him, and try to help you solve this “Billion Dollar Challenge”? Is it because no one can, prove this wrong? The truth hurts doesn’t it?
As Salamu alaykum wa rahmathullah,
This is the first time I am coming here. Too curious to read everything on ur blog, cos it’s the first time I am seeing undeleted comments and proper justifications from an anonymous brother like you. Masha Allah, I like your courage a lot, and it is very true what I read jus a couple of days back, “The one who can bow down in front of Allah can stand up to anything.” I will insha Allah keep reading and benefiting, and may Allah reward you for the best efforts put in.
wa Salam,
Umm Omar
Wa alaikum as Salam Wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatahoo
Umm Omar,
Knowledge is Power” It’s is I who typed, but it is the knowledge that spoke. May Allah increase us in knowledge.
Take care my Sister.
Your Brother Ahmad.
I am a recent convert to Islam and I have decided not to follow hadith because I believe in my heart that I cannot trust it. Verses that I have read make the Prophet sound like an imbecile or even worse and because the hadith are so complicated and REALLY contradictory, I feel that they break Allahs covenant to make religion and faith easy and if Hadith are followed it is almost impossible to do anything correctly. That doesn’t make any sense from a merciful god. I do not agree with the one who denied fasting but I cannot find it in my heart to beleive in the fractured commentaries often taken down decades after the Prophets death. If you have any concrete proof of the validity of hadith please let me know 🙂 thank you
Thank You Stephie for your comment. I appreciate your thought, but the basic premise of the theology you follow is flawed. First the premise of Hadith being written down decades after the Death of the Prophet PBUH. The Saheefa as Sadiq of Abdullah ibn Amr, the Saheefa of Ali Ibn Talib, the Saheefa of Jabir ibn Abdullah, the Saheefa of Abu Huraira and the Saheefa of Haman ibn Munayba his student would all refute that point. Those same men that wrote down the Qur’an for the first time were the same that wrote down Ahadith.
What is a bigger problem is the multiple verses in the Qur’an that refer to rulings outside of The Qur’an.
The biggest problem is that people don’t understand Hadith and try to interpret Islam for themselves. They think ‘oh this hadith contradicts another’ Yet they don’t realize that the compilers of Ahadith have identified that certain Hadith as Maqbool and that you can’t interpret is like any other Ahadith. Most of the hadith that people claim are “contradicting” are mardood, and this is deception at its worst.
I recommend reading works by Dr. Jonathan Brown about Hadith. He was a well known Western Scholar of Islam who accepted Islam after studying the Science of Hadith.
http://www.amazon.com/Hadith-Introduction-Jonathan-C-Brown/dp/1851686630
If we are going to criticize Ahadith; we should at least have the decency to learn about them
Again thank you for your comment.